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		<title>Comment on Hey Nica Noelle, Just Call It Feminist Porn Already! by mel</title>
		<link>http://www.morallust.com/?p=256#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2013 03:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>links or it didnt happen.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Is it immoral to have a type? by Porn Narcissism: Are People Too Damn into People Like Themselves? &#8211; Moral Lust</title>
		<link>http://www.morallust.com/?p=68#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Porn Narcissism: Are People Too Damn into People Like Themselves? &#8211; Moral Lust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 03:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so people are into themselves. So what? I have tried to make the case elsewhere that our desires can be morally significant. They reveal attitudes that we may have reason to reflect on, and possibly correct. Whenever I try [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] so people are into themselves. So what? I have tried to make the case elsewhere that our desires can be morally significant. They reveal attitudes that we may have reason to reflect on, and possibly correct. Whenever I try [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Of Nipples and Crushed Heads: On the Double Standard for Sex and Violence by Click for details</title>
		<link>http://www.morallust.com/?p=156#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Click for details</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 10:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing this first-class piece. Very interesting ideas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing this first-class piece. Very interesting ideas!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Of Nipples and Crushed Heads: On the Double Standard for Sex and Violence by click for details</title>
		<link>http://www.morallust.com/?p=156#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>click for details</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 07:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately double standard are present everywhere. Lovely composed material! Appreciate that you post it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately double standard are present everywhere. Lovely composed material! Appreciate that you post it here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why It’s Time to Stop Writing about Bullshit Social Trends by Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.morallust.com/?p=196#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse my ignorance but is this article meant to be ironic?

Chastising &quot;social trend writers&quot; for making blanket statements without reference to data while claiming :

&quot;And the vast majority of this writing is, to put it frankly, complete and utter bullshit&quot;

&quot;Most social trends articles fall into the category of “stuff the writer heard people talking about when he or she was at a cocktail party somewhere in Manhattan the night before”.&quot;

and to top it all off:

&quot;When you don’t have data, your readers end up believing or disbelieving your argument based on whether or not it confirms their own intuitions and prejudices. &quot;

I mean don&#039;t get me wrong I find this all very interesting and I do agree with you but as Bart Simpson said &quot;the ironing is delicious&quot; and I just couldn&#039;t resist.

Also, can we really expect accuracy and statistical validity to be high on the list of magazines that are designed to sell lipstick and $1000 dollar chihuahua collars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse my ignorance but is this article meant to be ironic?</p>
<p>Chastising &#8220;social trend writers&#8221; for making blanket statements without reference to data while claiming :</p>
<p>&#8220;And the vast majority of this writing is, to put it frankly, complete and utter bullshit&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Most social trends articles fall into the category of “stuff the writer heard people talking about when he or she was at a cocktail party somewhere in Manhattan the night before”.&#8221;</p>
<p>and to top it all off:</p>
<p>&#8220;When you don’t have data, your readers end up believing or disbelieving your argument based on whether or not it confirms their own intuitions and prejudices. &#8221;</p>
<p>I mean don&#8217;t get me wrong I find this all very interesting and I do agree with you but as Bart Simpson said &#8220;the ironing is delicious&#8221; and I just couldn&#8217;t resist.</p>
<p>Also, can we really expect accuracy and statistical validity to be high on the list of magazines that are designed to sell lipstick and $1000 dollar chihuahua collars?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lawrence v. Texas and the Right to Have Sex by neil</title>
		<link>http://www.morallust.com/?p=173#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 21:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I mention I&#039;m not a lawyer? A reader who is, Craig R, emailed me the following, which he gave me permission to post:

First, as you know, it’s uncertain (and even controversial) to what extent the Declaration can be used in analyzing the Constitution. This probably doesn’t have any effect on your deeper argument here.

Second, strictly speaking, it’s the Fourteenth Amendment that applies to the states. The Fifth Amendment applies only to the federal government. Again, this is a technical observation with no likely effect on your substantive argument. The Fourteenth Amendment also protects “liberty.” Maybe the only question would be: Could there have been a different understanding of “liberty” when the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted (during Reconstruction) than when the Fifth Amendment was? Probably not, especially given that in this respect the latter amendment reproduces the terms of the earlier one verbatim. My reaction was that you were surely aware of the technical distinction between the amendments but elided it analytically to get at the root discussion of “liberty” and “right.” As an additional note, which again you surely know, the Bill of Rights has been largely applied to the states through the Fourteenth Amendment. No relevance here, I think; just a closely related note.

Your point about strict-liability crimes (or torts) is correct. Strict liability typically governs highly regulated activity. The classic case in tort is blasting, which is taken to exemplify the class of “ultrahazardous” activity to which strict liability applies.

Finally, two substantive points. First, I don’t know that I agree that a fundamental “right to have sex,” by making questions of consent thornier, threatens sexual-assault laws. I’m not quite sure how to phrase this just yet. But I don’t see that recognizing this right somehow quickens consent in such a way as to make assault laws harder to enforce, or reach conviction on. Maybe at the margins.

Second, while I hope you’re right on this, I don’t know if I’m as confident that “there’s no going back.” This is a looser point, of course, which has to do with notions other than constitutional liberties. And I didn’t take it as your main conclusion, anyway, just a sort of wrap-up gloss. Besides, what one thinks about moral-legal progress probably has more to do with general temperament — or even what one had for breakfast. Temperamentally, I suspect we’re pretty close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I mention I&#8217;m not a lawyer? A reader who is, Craig R, emailed me the following, which he gave me permission to post:</p>
<p>First, as you know, it’s uncertain (and even controversial) to what extent the Declaration can be used in analyzing the Constitution. This probably doesn’t have any effect on your deeper argument here.</p>
<p>Second, strictly speaking, it’s the Fourteenth Amendment that applies to the states. The Fifth Amendment applies only to the federal government. Again, this is a technical observation with no likely effect on your substantive argument. The Fourteenth Amendment also protects “liberty.” Maybe the only question would be: Could there have been a different understanding of “liberty” when the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted (during Reconstruction) than when the Fifth Amendment was? Probably not, especially given that in this respect the latter amendment reproduces the terms of the earlier one verbatim. My reaction was that you were surely aware of the technical distinction between the amendments but elided it analytically to get at the root discussion of “liberty” and “right.” As an additional note, which again you surely know, the Bill of Rights has been largely applied to the states through the Fourteenth Amendment. No relevance here, I think; just a closely related note.</p>
<p>Your point about strict-liability crimes (or torts) is correct. Strict liability typically governs highly regulated activity. The classic case in tort is blasting, which is taken to exemplify the class of “ultrahazardous” activity to which strict liability applies.</p>
<p>Finally, two substantive points. First, I don’t know that I agree that a fundamental “right to have sex,” by making questions of consent thornier, threatens sexual-assault laws. I’m not quite sure how to phrase this just yet. But I don’t see that recognizing this right somehow quickens consent in such a way as to make assault laws harder to enforce, or reach conviction on. Maybe at the margins.</p>
<p>Second, while I hope you’re right on this, I don’t know if I’m as confident that “there’s no going back.” This is a looser point, of course, which has to do with notions other than constitutional liberties. And I didn’t take it as your main conclusion, anyway, just a sort of wrap-up gloss. Besides, what one thinks about moral-legal progress probably has more to do with general temperament — or even what one had for breakfast. Temperamentally, I suspect we’re pretty close.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Against the Promise Keepers: On the Contract Theory of Infidelity by ultrahedonist</title>
		<link>http://www.morallust.com/?p=137#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>ultrahedonist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 08:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s a lot to the contract theory and that the breaking of trust does account for a large proportion (but definitey not all) of the pain of infidelity for many people. But it&#039;s just that this *particular* contract many people regard as an extremely important one, and that&#039;s because of, yes, their strong feelings about sex and fidelity. Hence the breaking of this contract and the lying -together with the thought of the act itself - is more upsetting than the breaking of other less subjectively important promises. I guess my point is that I don&#039;t see &quot;it&#039;s the sex stupid&quot; and the &quot;contract theory&quot; as all that incompatible.
I can also speak from my experience as someone who finds monogamy to be odd and impracticable, and who has been in a non-monogamous long term relationship for 7 years. If my partner had done the sexual things he&#039;s done with other women and we *hadn&#039;t* discussed and agreed on openness beforehand, finding out about it would have devastated me and without a doubt I would have ended the relationship - evidence for the contract theory. At the same time, while I don&#039;t judge him for his extra-relationship exploits because we have an agreement, I have nonetheless, on rare occasions, felt sick with jealousy, hurt and insecurity despite our agreement - evidence for the &quot;it&#039;s the sex stupid&quot; theory. Hence I am quite sure that, for me at least, it&#039;s a combination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s a lot to the contract theory and that the breaking of trust does account for a large proportion (but definitey not all) of the pain of infidelity for many people. But it&#8217;s just that this *particular* contract many people regard as an extremely important one, and that&#8217;s because of, yes, their strong feelings about sex and fidelity. Hence the breaking of this contract and the lying -together with the thought of the act itself &#8211; is more upsetting than the breaking of other less subjectively important promises. I guess my point is that I don&#8217;t see &#8220;it&#8217;s the sex stupid&#8221; and the &#8220;contract theory&#8221; as all that incompatible.<br />
I can also speak from my experience as someone who finds monogamy to be odd and impracticable, and who has been in a non-monogamous long term relationship for 7 years. If my partner had done the sexual things he&#8217;s done with other women and we *hadn&#8217;t* discussed and agreed on openness beforehand, finding out about it would have devastated me and without a doubt I would have ended the relationship &#8211; evidence for the contract theory. At the same time, while I don&#8217;t judge him for his extra-relationship exploits because we have an agreement, I have nonetheless, on rare occasions, felt sick with jealousy, hurt and insecurity despite our agreement &#8211; evidence for the &#8220;it&#8217;s the sex stupid&#8221; theory. Hence I am quite sure that, for me at least, it&#8217;s a combination.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Epicurus and Ancient Hedonism by Clive</title>
		<link>http://www.morallust.com/?p=113#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating Freudian slip!  Inner piece?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Of Nipples and Crushed Heads: On the Double Standard for Sex and Violence by Clive</title>
		<link>http://www.morallust.com/?p=156#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there not also here a vector about co-operation, empathy and altruism?  Allowing violence is saying the nature red in claw philosophy is correct, and hiding breasts is censoring the reality that our success as a species is because of our abilities to live and work with each other.  It is now probable that we coevolved these ways of being with dogs, two predatory hunting species cooperating.

There have been recent studies showing how God&#039;s wife Asherah was written out of history, facebook are following a noble tradition of trying to shape the world as they want.  Not American, just two completely contradictory ways of looking at life!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there not also here a vector about co-operation, empathy and altruism?  Allowing violence is saying the nature red in claw philosophy is correct, and hiding breasts is censoring the reality that our success as a species is because of our abilities to live and work with each other.  It is now probable that we coevolved these ways of being with dogs, two predatory hunting species cooperating.</p>
<p>There have been recent studies showing how God&#8217;s wife Asherah was written out of history, facebook are following a noble tradition of trying to shape the world as they want.  Not American, just two completely contradictory ways of looking at life!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Against the Promise Keepers: On the Contract Theory of Infidelity by Leaf</title>
		<link>http://www.morallust.com/?p=137#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Leaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might enjoy reading Sex At Dawn for a strong argument against evolutionary monogamy.</description>
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